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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
		<link>http://prettyfakes.com/2006/05/thin-finite-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-14176</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you and all of the criticism I&#039;m reading around. COIE was planned for years and, though it failed in its main mission (to establish a coherent continuity) it was almost as great as mainstream superhero comics may be. IC was planned, supposedily even more carefully, and neither helps continuity nor is a great story. Well drawn yes, entertaining at points and with some things to draw fans in (the return of Kal-L), but things like the pathetic end of Kal-L or the aftermath (How millonaire Bruce Wayne deals with the responsability of thousands of deaths -thas a real issue, not the &quot;you murdered Max Lord&quot; thanks to his B-1 sat? He goes on a all around the world holliday!) and the poor story and editing throws it all away. I liked Infinite Crisis when it was called COIE. Even more, when it was called Zero Hour. It&#039;s the same, just worse. They had the time and the means, and they just did it worse, surrended to the allmighty dollar. Besides, how it is that every DC comic seems written by hacks like Johns, Winick and Rucka? And I can&#039;t stand the pics of Didio (kind of an evil Peter David) on every comic!
Luckily for me, I downloaded the scans (I live in Argentina, I just bought the local editions of P.Girl &quot;origin&quot; and G.L rebirth, which I expect to sell soon) because IC turned out to be what I thought the first time I saw the promotional posters on a comic store- a way to cash on the original Crisis.
ps: the best, easily, was the Secret Files story written by Wolfman. He did the best he could with such scenario
ps2: The &quot;moral dilemmas&quot; of Wonder Woman and the other two are ludicrous. Get really real. Superheros are not going to be more human and reallistic just calling themselves by their first names.
ps3: DC have which lacked for most of the 90s: first-rate artwork. Sadly, now the writings it&#039;s more apt for Image</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you and all of the criticism I&#8217;m reading around. <span class="caps">COIE</span> was planned for years and, though it failed in its main mission (to establish a coherent continuity) it was almost as great as mainstream superhero comics may be. IC was planned, supposedily even more carefully, and neither helps continuity nor is a great story. Well drawn yes, entertaining at points and with some things to draw fans in (the return of Kal-L), but things like the pathetic end of Kal-L or the aftermath (How millonaire Bruce Wayne deals with the responsability of thousands of deaths <del>thas a real issue, not the &#8220;you murdered Max Lord&#8221; thanks to his B</del>1 sat? He goes on a all around the world holliday!) and the poor story and editing throws it all away. I liked Infinite Crisis when it was called <span class="caps">COIE</span>. Even more, when it was called Zero Hour. It&#8217;s the same, just worse. They had the time and the means, and they just did it worse, surrended to the allmighty dollar. Besides, how it is that every DC comic seems written by hacks like Johns, Winick and Rucka? And I can&#8217;t stand the pics of Didio (kind of an evil Peter David) on every comic!<br />
Luckily for me, I downloaded the scans (I live in Argentina, I just bought the local editions of P.Girl &#8220;origin&#8221; and G.L rebirth, which I expect to sell soon) because IC turned out to be what I thought the first time I saw the promotional posters on a comic store- a way to cash on the original Crisis.<br />
ps: the best, easily, was the Secret Files story written by Wolfman. He did the best he could with such scenario<br />
ps2: The &#8220;moral dilemmas&#8221; of Wonder Woman and the other two are ludicrous. Get really real. Superheros are not going to be more human and reallistic just calling themselves by their first names.<br />
ps3: DC have which lacked for most of the 90s: first-rate artwork. Sadly, now the writings it&#8217;s more apt for Image</p>
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		<title>By: gorjus</title>
		<link>http://prettyfakes.com/2006/05/thin-finite-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-7479</link>
		<dc:creator>gorjus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 19:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OOH!!  That Evil Robby Reed!

I bet he&#039;s home making out with his handmade Silver Age font catalog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="caps">OOH</span>!!  That Evil Robby Reed!</p>
<p>I bet he&#8217;s home making out with his handmade Silver Age font catalog.</p>
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		<title>By: Evil Robby Reed</title>
		<link>http://prettyfakes.com/2006/05/thin-finite-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-7476</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Robby Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 16:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the compliments ... ass wipe.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the compliments &#8230; ass wipe.  <img src='http://prettyfakes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Roeg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Roeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 22:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“when done well” --as I typed these words, I knew they&#039;d be a sticking point!  (And ye gods, did I really say all that in the original post?  Let&#039;s just be gentlemen about it and pretend I didn&#039;t.  Yikes!)  Like you, though, I was tickled by the Seven Soldiers cameos--it&#039;ll be very interesting to see what (if anything) comes of those in the next  year...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;when done well&#8221;&#8212;as I typed these words, I knew they&#8217;d be a sticking point!  (And ye gods, did I really say all that in the original post?  Let&#8217;s just be gentlemen about it and pretend I didn&#8217;t.  Yikes!)  Like you, though, I was tickled by the Seven Soldiers cameos&#8212;it&#8217;ll be very interesting to see what (if anything) comes of those in the next  year&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gorjus</title>
		<link>http://prettyfakes.com/2006/05/thin-finite-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-6225</link>
		<dc:creator>gorjus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 15:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing of intelligence to add here (especially not beyond the take espoused at Dial B for Blog) other than to say that I hate all modern comics.  I am now swearing to only buy 1940&#039;s era gems like Police Comics and Whiz Comics and . . . 

Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing of intelligence to add here (especially not beyond the take espoused at Dial B for Blog) other than to say that I hate all modern comics.  I am now swearing to only buy 1940&#8217;s era gems like Police Comics and Whiz Comics and . . .</p>
<p>Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Professor Fury</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Fury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 18:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mooch: I likely will get &lt;em&gt;52&lt;/em&gt;, especially since Morrison is a major architect of the new DCU that the series is supposed to explore. It&#039;s the sort of thing that&#039;s hard for me to resist--an exploration of the brightest fields and darkest corners of the DCU. I know this makes me something of a hypocrite, or at least weak-willed, given my feelings about &lt;em&gt;IC&lt;/em&gt;, but there you have it.

Jim: I&#039;m very much looking forward to what you have to say on the series. In your &lt;a href=&quot;http://doublearticulation.blogspot.com/2005/11/on-multiplicity-pleasures-and-politics.html&quot;&gt;first essay on &lt;em&gt;IC&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;/a&gt;you wrote, &quot;Wolfman and Perez’s &lt;em&gt;Crisis&lt;/em&gt; ended up projecting a fairly conservative ethical vision in its reduction of the multiverse to a single universe, represented synecdochally by the singularity of earth itself. Johns and Jiminez’s &lt;em&gt;Crisis&lt;/em&gt; promises a restored multiverse, or perhaps something even better: a single universe that is more internally riven, contradictory, and multiple than ever before.&quot; My fear is that both of these options have turned out to be mere carrots to keep us reading, and that what we&#039;ve been left with is a new DCU that is, at least for the moment, less contradictory and multiple than even what we had before. (Although it&#039;ll be interesting to see how &lt;em&gt;Seven Soldiers&lt;/em&gt; plays into this: my favorite moments about IC#7 were seeing various of the SS in battle with the rest of the DCU&#039;s heroes. In SS, Morrison seems to be creating that single-but-internally-riven world that you spoke of--the Shining Knight and Zatanna inhabit the same world and are part of the same grand narrative, but their worlds look nothing alike, etc.)

It&#039;s that &quot;when done well&quot; that you mention that might be where you and I differ a bit; for me, that temporary, contingent coherence is a sign of doing it well. There&#039;s never a question that something radical is going to happen next issue or the next, or may be happening right &quot;now&quot; in an issue of another series, that will totally destroy whatever status quo happens to be in place at the end of a given comic. But in a good-to-my-tastes comic, there&#039;s a balance between resolution and dissolution that &lt;em&gt;IC&lt;/em&gt; simply lacked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mooch: I likely will get <em>52</em>, especially since Morrison is a major architect of the new <span class="caps">DCU</span> that the series is supposed to explore. It&#8217;s the sort of thing that&#8217;s hard for me to resist&#8212;an exploration of the brightest fields and darkest corners of the <span class="caps">DCU</span>. I know this makes me something of a hypocrite, or at least weak-willed, given my feelings about <em>IC</em>, but there you have it.</p>
<p>Jim: I&#8217;m very much looking forward to what you have to say on the series. In your <a href="http://doublearticulation.blogspot.com/2005/11/on-multiplicity-pleasures-and-politics.html">first essay on <em>IC</em>, </a>you wrote, &#8220;Wolfman and Perez&#8217;s <em>Crisis</em> ended up projecting a fairly conservative ethical vision in its reduction of the multiverse to a single universe, represented synecdochally by the singularity of earth itself. Johns and Jiminez&#8217;s <em>Crisis</em> promises a restored multiverse, or perhaps something even better: a single universe that is more internally riven, contradictory, and multiple than ever before.&#8221; My fear is that both of these options have turned out to be mere carrots to keep us reading, and that what we&#8217;ve been left with is a new <span class="caps">DCU</span> that is, at least for the moment, less contradictory and multiple than even what we had before. (Although it&#8217;ll be interesting to see how <em>Seven Soldiers</em> plays into this: my favorite moments about IC#7 were seeing various of the SS in battle with the rest of the <span class="caps">DCU</span>&#8217;s heroes. In SS, Morrison seems to be creating that single-but-internally-riven world that you spoke of&#8212;the Shining Knight and Zatanna inhabit the same world and are part of the same grand narrative, but their worlds look nothing alike, etc.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s that &#8220;when done well&#8221; that you mention that might be where you and I differ a bit; for me, that temporary, contingent coherence is a sign of doing it well. There&#8217;s never a question that something radical is going to happen next issue or the next, or may be happening right &#8220;now&#8221; in an issue of another series, that will totally destroy whatever status quo happens to be in place at the end of a given comic. But in a good-to-my-tastes comic, there&#8217;s a balance between resolution and dissolution that <em>IC</em> simply lacked.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Roeg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Roeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 17:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m hoping that PrettyFavorite Jim Roeg will bust out some postmodern jujitsu to reveal that in fact this is the greatest thing ever instead of the worst, but I fear that such an achievement may be beyond even his formidable po-martial arts skillz.&lt;/i&gt;

Me too, Prof!  Me too!  (Still waiting for inspiration to strike...)  I loved &lt;i&gt;Infinite Crisis&lt;/i&gt;, all of it and its tributaries, but in a pathetic and slavish way that (it&#039;s becoming increasingly clear to me) I can&#039;t really defend except in mainly formalist, increasingly abstract, and possibly psychoanalytical terms.  I completely take your point that even in the endless serial format good stories &quot;usually achieve at least a temporary and contingent coherence,&quot; but for some reason, even &quot;temporary and contingent  coherence&quot; feels like too much coherence for me these days.  The comparison of Johns&#039;s writing to a Previews catalogue is pointed to say the least, but even though I don&#039;t completely agree (his stories bring tears to my eyes for Pete&#039;s sake!), I secretly find the idea of &quot;pomo-funhouse capitalism, in which every book is merely an advertisement for a bunch of other books that are themselves advertisements for other books&quot; deeply, deeply thrilling--when done well.  I&#039;m not certain if this is a reading preference, a sign of ideological blindness, an actual pathology, or all three...  No doubt, I&#039;ll pursue this all further at some point.  By the way: &lt;i&gt;The Thing&lt;/i&gt; #6--awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I&#8217;m hoping that PrettyFavorite Jim Roeg will bust out some postmodern jujitsu to reveal that in fact this is the greatest thing ever instead of the worst, but I fear that such an achievement may be beyond even his formidable po-martial arts skillz.</i></p>
<p>Me too, Prof!  Me too!  (Still waiting for inspiration to strike&#8230;)  I loved <i>Infinite Crisis</i>, all of it and its tributaries, but in a pathetic and slavish way that (it&#8217;s becoming increasingly clear to me) I can&#8217;t really defend except in mainly formalist, increasingly abstract, and possibly psychoanalytical terms.  I completely take your point that even in the endless serial format good stories &#8220;usually achieve at least a temporary and contingent coherence,&#8221; but for some reason, even &#8220;temporary and contingent  coherence&#8221; feels like too much coherence for me these days.  The comparison of Johns&#8217;s writing to a Previews catalogue is pointed to say the least, but even though I don&#8217;t completely agree (his stories bring tears to my eyes for Pete&#8217;s sake!), I secretly find the idea of &#8220;pomo-funhouse capitalism, in which every book is merely an advertisement for a bunch of other books that are themselves advertisements for other books&#8221; deeply, deeply thrilling&#8212;when done well.  I&#8217;m not certain if this is a reading preference, a sign of ideological blindness, an actual pathology, or all three&#8230;  No doubt, I&#8217;ll pursue this all further at some point.  By the way: <i>The Thing</i> #6&#8212;awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Mooch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Mooch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 03:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, i&#039;m gonna say this before i go any further in my reading.  all big crossovers stink.  they concept can seem nice, but generally the full universe of characters from DC or Marvel are idiotic to weave into a big story without a good chunk being simple add-ins.  the ONE intra-company crossover i can say was OK, and i mean OK (do you think it holds up today?) is Secret Wars.  that&#039;s it.  go read Crisis on Infinate Earths now.  jesus, novelists would tell you its text heavy and its sole job was to clean up a mess created by the fact that DC, unlike Marvel, ties a substantial group of heroes in its mythos to a certain era (JSA/WW2) and then 20, 30, 40, 50 years later they had to explain just how that works.  the kill off and mix things up and 20 years later someone gets nostalgic for &#039;what was&#039; and we have the IC type books.  hey, some can be better than others, but when it ties in other books along with the mini series, its just an attempt to get you to buy more.  that&#039;s it.  otherwise, its a bad idea.  

i won&#039;t buy civil war.  the title just lets me know what to avoid until its gone.  if i&#039;m wrong i&#039;ll go to the dollar bin or get a trade paperback.  and i&#039;m pretty safe in thinking i&#039;m not missing out on the next hypervaluable comic...which i DO still concern myself with in a way, but usually not in that sense.  

[Howerver, if you have a VF or better copy of All Star Comics #58 from 1976, i may be able to take that off your hands]

…all that being said, i’ve been reading Infinity Crisis (but i’m WAY behind) and i’m trying to decide if i want to read that 52 series that DC is putting out. anyone have any thought on 52? 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, i&#8217;m gonna say this before i go any further in my reading.  all big crossovers stink.  they concept can seem nice, but generally the full universe of characters from DC or Marvel are idiotic to weave into a big story without a good chunk being simple add-ins.  the <span class="caps">ONE</span> intra-company crossover i can say was OK, and i mean <span class="caps">OK </span>(do you think it holds up today?) is Secret Wars.  that&#8217;s it.  go read Crisis on Infinate Earths now.  jesus, novelists would tell you its text heavy and its sole job was to clean up a mess created by the fact that DC, unlike Marvel, ties a substantial group of heroes in its mythos to a certain era (JSA/WW2) and then 20, 30, 40, 50 years later they had to explain just how that works.  the kill off and mix things up and 20 years later someone gets nostalgic for &#8216;what was&#8217; and we have the IC type books.  hey, some can be better than others, but when it ties in other books along with the mini series, its just an attempt to get you to buy more.  that&#8217;s it.  otherwise, its a bad idea.</p>
<p>i won&#8217;t buy civil war.  the title just lets me know what to avoid until its gone.  if i&#8217;m wrong i&#8217;ll go to the dollar bin or get a trade paperback.  and i&#8217;m pretty safe in thinking i&#8217;m not missing out on the next hypervaluable comic&#8230;which i DO still concern myself with in a way, but usually not in that sense.</p>
<p>[Howerver, if you have a VF or better copy of All Star Comics #58 from 1976, i may be able to take that off your hands]</p>
<p>&#8230;all that being said, i&#8217;ve been reading Infinity Crisis (but i&#8217;m <span class="caps">WAY</span> behind) and i&#8217;m trying to decide if i want to read that 52 series that DC is putting out. anyone have any thought on 52?</p>
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		<title>By: bulb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bulb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 15:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas Wolk in &lt;i&gt;Salon&lt;/i&gt; on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://salon.com/books/feature/2006/05/06/comics/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;state of the superhero&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas Wolk in <i>Salon</i> on the <a href="http://salon.com/books/feature/2006/05/06/comics/" rel="nofollow">state of the superhero</a>.</p>
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